Limited Speech and Communication Challenges

Show Notes:
Beyond Words: A Heartfelt Conversation About Parenthood and Limited Speech

Join us for a powerful and inspiring conversation with filmmaker Jay Silverman. In this episode of the Water Prairie Chronicles, Jay opens up about his personal journey as a parent to a daughter with limited speech. With raw honesty and vulnerability, he shares the challenges, triumphs, and unwavering love that have shaped his family.

Discover how Jay’s experiences as a parent influenced his latest film, “CAMERA,” a moving portrayal of a young boy who finds solace and expression through photography. We delve into the importance of representation, the impact of disability on families, and the power of storytelling to create empathy and understanding.

This episode is a must-watch for parents, caregivers, and anyone interested in human connection. Get ready to be inspired by Jay’s story and the strength of the human spirit.

During the interview, Jay spoke about the film CODA, which is about a deaf family. The original script of ‘CAMERA’ was written about a deaf boy so they changed it to be about a mute boy in order not to be similar to the film, CODA. The decision was also because Jay wanted to make it more personal and use his daughter’s story.

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Episode #104: How to Understand and Support Children with Limited Speech | CAMERA, the Movie
Limited Speech and Communication Challenges

(Recorded July 30, 2024)

Full Transcript of Interview:

Tonya: Jay, welcome to Water Prairie.

Jay: Thank you so much. Uh, you know, I want to just say, Tonya, out of all the podcasts I’ve done for my movie, this is the one I look most forward to. So thank you for having me on.

I thought what we do is we break the interview, start with talking about your, your life as a parent, that role as a parent first, and then we’ll move into, to talking about the movie more. So listeners stay with us. You’re going to want to hear all of this because it’s going to make the movie even more impactful to you after hearing this part of his story.

So you have how, how many children,

three,

three, and, um, are they all, all girls or do you have boys and girls?

They’re all girls, 26 to 30.

One of your daughters has limited speech or had or has, is it still as an ongoing condition?

She’s now 27 years old and she is, um, figured out a way to work around her low voice and her sometimes whisper.

Because of damage that was done at birth by the Uh, intubation process that was excessively done to the point where her vocal cords were compromised by scar tissue.

How common is that to happen? Do you know?

It’s so interesting you just said that because I just went for a procedure unrelated to any of this.

And the nurse, uh, who was helping me, for some reason, my Life story came up to her and I told her about my daughter being less than two pounds at birth in the NICU. Oh, I know how it came up. She said to me, I’m a NICU. I come from the NICU and, um, uh, I no longer work in that world now. Now I’m doing what you’re here to have me do.

And, um, and I said, You know, I have a lot of familial familiarity with NICUs. My daughter was in it for almost six months and she, she had a tracheostomy. She had, um, all sorts of remarkable procedures 27 years ago. And now she’s, uh, she’s almost as tall as I am and she’s just a magnificent spirit.

But, you know, I am talking to an audience of parents here, I have to share with you, you know, my daughter worked at a retail store during the summer during the pandemic, and she wore a mask and people would say, you’ve got a cold, young lady, why are you working? And she would have to say, no, this is my normal voice.

And I use this story because it was essentially, you know, adult bullying is basically what it was. And rather than label it, let’s just talk about the side effects. My daughter was devastated because every day somebody attacked her verbally. With, um, uh, stories like I just described. And that’s a part of what I’ve interpreted in some respect or extrapolated in my movie, CAMERA, because CAMERA is featuring a young boy that is mute.

And it’s for the same reasons? Or do we know that?

Exact same reasons, as a matter of fact, when you watch the movie, the little child, um, in photography was actually my daughter, uh, where my wedding ring was on her wrist. So you can just imagine how small that child was.

I’ve seen the movie. We’re going to get into this more. Phenomenal movie, by the way, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

The, um, but I want to make sure that we’re not having too many spoilers here. So, so if I ask a question that you shouldn’t answer, please say that. I was wondering about, about that picture at the end, um, on it. So, um, so that’s, that has even more meaning to me now.

I want to elaborate on something you just said. The writer who wrote this movie is as a gentleman named Jamie Murphy. He wrote it. Uh, he’s from Ireland. And, um, we put a lot of love and a lot of care into this film, but I’m only sharing this with your audience because these are the, the, the challenges and the opportunities for filmmakers. In this particular case, his movie was written for a mute and because, you know, literally at the same time we were developing this movie, Coda, came out.

I, uh, I immediately said I, I can’t, you know, I love the story, but I would have to modify the character and he was totally up for that. I did not want to cast in my movie, a child that wasn’t familiar with the disability of having challenges with his speech, and the young boy in my movie, uh, named Miguel Gabriel, uh, himself actually had speech issues when he was younger and he had to seek therapeutic, um, solutions and he had to seek a, you know, an acting coach and it’s, it’s basically, it takes, it takes a village, you know, his mother was, predominantly engaged.

Her name was Michelle. And, but when you watch my movie and this is not a brag, this is a reality that everybody seems to, uh, kind of, uh, compliment is this little boy is so extraordinary because he has an ability. To express himself without using words in a way that is not just, you know, um, can you make a, uh, an expression of this?

Can you make an expression of that? But storytelling, you know? Um, so I just want to say it was important for me to a understand disability that my daughter had, because this character we made have the identical, um, challenge at birth. He, it’s she, the character even states that her son was three months premature.

You know, um, all you have to do is talk to a group of parents that have had a child that’s premature and they will. Unload the identical same stories, you know, I mean, as a parent, I can tell you that is vital to a filmmaker, whether it be myself or me interviewing somebody that actually lived it, because you don’t want to make a movie that’s not authentic.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And it’s in, in this one it’s the first time that I had even heard that that was a possibility. You know, I think of kids surviving the, the NICU and all the, you know, you, you picture the picture of them having all the wires and the. Tubes and everything, but, and it makes perfect sense, but I never thought about this being a possible, um, scarring that, that, that could happen.

So, so Tonya, I have to say the woman that I mentioned a couple of minutes ago, that was the, uh, the NICU nurse, when I explained to her what happened to my daughter and believe me, you know, um, um, And I say this as a man and my ex-wife who, you know, we share this child coming into the world. I mean, I have to say, nobody could imagine to confront what a parent goes through when your child comes three months premature.

And to have her say to me, this NICU nurse, I saw it happen all the time. Just blew me away because the hospital made a choice to use young intern, uh, students, you know, to essentially watch over the young NICU patients. And my daughter, and it’s, you know, it’s part of her story, would always rip the tube out of her mouth at, you know, At one week, at two weeks, and they have to re-intubate her.

So don’t get me wrong, I don’t necessarily believe that, uh, things happen for a reason, you know? I mean, certainly, they’re not telling my daughter to rip it out. They had her taped here, and they had her taped here. But she was so strong of what a will to wanna live that. Um, she kept ripping out, you know, the only thing that’s saving her life.

And, um, so they had to immediately, you know, re-intubate her. And, you know, I witnessed this and I have to tell you, sometimes it took ’em two, three minutes to put that tube back in her, in her throat. And, you know, each time they’re doing it, they’re scraping her. Vocal cords and over time, and I’m talking about, you know, she was in the NICU for a long time.

You, uh, build up, uh, a, uh, scar tissue and essentially, uh, damaged the vocal cords. And that’s what happened to her. So that, that was our protagonist kind of backstory.

So with your daughter, you knew, well, well, how, how early did you know that damage had been done? Was it later?

A year later.

Okay. So when she would have been starting to babble and, and talking some, as she was growing up, were there areas where you saw significant changes in improvement or breakthroughs in communication for her?

Was it a gradual change?

Look, you know, we, we, we all are made of our life experiences and she’s a tough, she’s a super tough cookie. And, and you asked the question, you know, it takes two, it takes a physician and it also takes the patient to want to help themselves. And my daughter was so incredibly stubborn that it wasn’t until later in life that she actually understood what, why, you know, speech therapy was so critical because.

Much of that comes from, you know, your ability to breathe and gain no different than if you’re training to be an opera singer.

Exactly. I was thinking, I was thinking of that, that comparison with singing, you have to have the breath to be able to support the sound. I was a quiet child. Um, I was very bashful, very shy and, and just insecure.

And so my mom, my mom talks about how I would cry if you just looked at me and, um, It wasn’t until the teen years that we, we had to move during that time and I was ready to move on and become who I was and, and leave that behind. Had we not moved, I don’t know how long that would have taken for me to kind of come out of my shell, but I can remember frustrating my mom because she couldn’t hear what I would say.

And then, so she would get louder asking me to repeat and I would get quieter and as a result of it. And so it wasn’t always a good match there. Um, and then I would end up crying because my feelings would be hurt. You know.

Yeah, but you see, it’s a magical, uh, thing to reflect back on what you just said, because not only, you know, too apparent for you to hear that, You know, I’m cognizant of the pros and the cons of some of the things I’ve done as a parent, you know, um, there’s only, um, it does take two and you know, I, I have to say as a, as a parent of, of, uh, Children, you know, there, there are just magnificent moments, um, that I believe why your listeners listen, where they get wisdom or they get an inclination to understand, you know, my goodness, this is my story.

You know, I just watched an independent film on Netflix last week. It’s called, almost, I was, uh, I Used to Be Famous was the name of the movie. It’s an independent film, but it’s about a child that’s, um, on the spectrum that is very, very, um, But really, in my opinion, as a parent watching this movie, I learned more from the mother.

And what did I learn? I learned exactly the sacrifices that parents have to make, whether you’re conscious of it or unconscious of it. Because conceptually, overprotective parents of children with challenges are in many cases, detrimental because the kid just like you, you wanted to be heard. But when she repeated to you, um, uh, the question or what have you twice as loud, you were intimidated.

You kind of closed down and we’re not taught as parents how to wrangle, um, you know, this kind of, uh, challenge. And so That’s why I make movies because these, these pivotal kind of pinnacle moments in human behavior that, um, that escape all of us in day to day.

When as parents, you know, we, we all want the best for our child.

You know, they’re, they’re born our goal. We were already dreaming about what they’re going to be as an adult and our job as parents, those first 20 ish years is to get them ready for that leap. To be independent and to be, to be out there. And some of our listeners will be sending their child, their child to a group home setting or some type of extra support.

Others will be sending them out, out the door. It may take them a little bit longer to get there, but they’re going to be out on their own. They’re going to be independent. Um, you know, totally without our support anymore. If we’ve done our job right there, they’re ready. As parents, we, we stress on this.

their, their whole lives and after they’re gone. Cause I’m, I’m at the stage now where in the next few years, my kids will be finished with college. They’ll be hopefully out there starting to prepare to take care of me one day. So we’ll just flip it around in a while. But, um, but there’s, there’s a lot of questions, you know, that we have is, you know, did we do it right?

Did we, did we miss something really crucial when they were five that’s going to show up later? You know, and I think we all, we all worry about that cause we want to have the best for our kids. But, um, I talk a lot about how the stage that Steve and I are in right now is we’re, we’re coaches, you know, we can, we can cheer them on from the sideline, but we can’t get out there and play the game with them anymore.

So, um, so if we’ve given them all the, all the right plays, then they’re going to be ready, but they, they sometimes call an audible and it’s not the same play that we had And we’ll regroup as a family and we’ll, we’ll talk about it. They’ll, they’ll text us or call and we’ll, we’ll kind of strategize with some ideas they might could try next time.

Um, but it is, it is hard sometimes.

I want to ask you a question. Um, there’s a description of, uh, cause I made a mistake. Um, and I, and I want to share this because it’s indicative of the world we’re living in. Uh, we were calling charities cause we want to do. Beau Bridges is a big star. We have a great cast and a great message film.

It’s a drama. And we wanted to have, um, screenings all around the country, uh, with charities where, you know, we don’t make a penny, all the money goes to the charity. And I called this big charity in, in Manhattan and I don’t want to name its name, but whoever answered the phone confronted me, you don’t even know what you’re talking about, because I said, you know, my, uh, My movie’s about a child, a non-speaking child.

She goes, that’s not at all what you’re describing. You’re wrong. Your child, you know, to have a child with a speech issue is a different terminology. So you don’t even know what you’re talking about. And, and I thought, wow. Um, That’s important. You know, this idea that I’m using the right descriptives and the right terminology.

Sure. I respect that. She, basically, that was it. We were done talking. Um, and she and her charity or that charity lost an incredible opportunity to share, uh, with their community. Um. But, but this kind of stuff bothers me greatly because we’re all different.

As parents, we should be supporting each other no matter what the reason is.

You and I have kids with different types of, of needs of call it disabilities, whatever you want to call it, but we can still talk to each other civilly and we can encourage each other for the stage that we’re in right now. But I hear it time and time again, where we kind of beat each other and we should be a community for each other.

So, so I think when you call the organization that may have been part of what you were working through, that may be the reason for the boy not being able to speak in the movie may not have matched what their reason would be. And this person may not have been able to connect the two.

Yeah. But you see, that’s, that was the beauty of the story I gave you, I think, before we went on air, which was the fact that these women came to my screening and were mesmerized by the story because number one, their parents have children with challenges.

And I didn’t, and from their mouths to my ears, they said, Hey, we don’t care what the disability is or the, the, the challenge. All we care about is the journey because we all want to inspire our young children to, you know, to learn. I mean, even in my own life, cause I tell you, my movies are a reflection indirectly of me, um, uh, in my life when I was 15 years old and I was in photography school.

I’m not ashamed to admit it. I was, uh, I was introverted. Um, I wasn’t the best communicator verbally and frankly, um, learning that a camera can help me extrapolate my feelings, whether it be storytelling or just grabbing something that created interest was a tool that I use. Not unlike the character in my movie.

Uh, the young boy uses his camera as a communication vehicle.

Well, I, I want to talk about the movie some, so the, the character that Beau Bridge’s plays, he’s the glue that’s holding that whole story together. It’s it’s like everyone needs someone like that in their community. It’s just, it was, it was well portrayed, but I really, I felt like he’s, he’s what pulled everything together there.

And um, but there were some moments of distress that I watched the interactions with the main characters and. The ending of it kind of, it’s like everything wrapped around. So, so it kept my interest the whole way through to the very last moment of it. And, um, and in fact, whenever it ended, my husband and I both were sitting there for a few minutes, cause we were just kind of digesting what we had just seen and it really was impactful to us.

So it, so, and I’m not just saying that I really, it’s rare that I don’t start fading out during part of a movie or something, and then come back in and try to put it all together. This, this, this one kept, kept my attention all the way through. And, um, but the, um, I was surprised at, early on, you used a word that has a lot of controversy going on right now.

And it was, it was using the, the R word.

Oh, I mean, I, He was being bullied. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And so one thing that I wondered when I was watching that, knowing that I was going to be able to talk to you, how do you decide when you’re looking at a script and you know, something like that is going to be a huge trigger for some of our audience, especially how do you decide when to leave it in?

Because the time period, the era that the movie’s taken place in would have been more likely to have used it than it would be today. Or when you take it out because of the audience today watching it, how do you make that choice?

It’s a pretty, um, important thing. Um, I’ll use an illustration, you know, when you make a movie and this movie was never designed to be quote unquote, a family movie, it was, it’s a drama, you know, about a family, um, You know, so, um, just to start this out, you know, I removed all the F words, okay?

Because, and, and if you ever watch any content out of the UK or Ireland, you know, the F word is just part of the vernacular. In United States, in Canada, you know, it requires a little more. Those are easy decisions to make. We left the R word in there because of ignorance. You know, uh, children, um, are vehicles of their own parents.

Um, I think it would be, um, It’s a compliment that you’re bringing this up because frankly, uh, if you said to the guy, I hate your hair or, you know, you’re ugly or, you know, you’re a dope, it’s not as effective. And, and I don’t want to be politically correct in a scenario where the child is getting legitimately, you know, I mean, let’s be honest in the movie.

The bully calls him a pedophile, you know, I mean, uh, you know, these are words that are part of the vernacular on TikTok on all the Instagram on these mediums that the children get educated and to me. You know, um, uh, I think it’s just super important to, to not, uh, sugarcoat a message, uh, with, uh, perfection, because life is not perfect.

That’s what makes movies so extraordinary for me, because it’s a wake-up call. You, you realize, human beings are just cruel to others. That’s kind of why, uh, we left that in the movie. Because guess what? It’s, it’s, it’s not only horrible, but it represents such ignorance.

It does get your attention. It shows, in a very quick scene, the situation that is happening.

And so it, it, it was effective. I was just curious how you make that choice. Um, you know, there, there are a lot of things we, before we started recording, we were talking about, um, there’s phrases that, you know, there, there’s, there’s arguments on both sides, whether we use special needs or disability. When I, when I first started the podcast, I was trying to figure out how do I, how do I have just, what are my talking points?

My elevator speech, what am I going to use? And so I took it to the disability community on Reddit. and put it in several different ones to ask for input. And it was split 50, 50, which, which one I should use. So I use them both interchangeably. I don’t mean a negative to anyone by using either either phrase, but it depends on the situation of how I’m talking.

Um, you also have, um, when I’ve gone into communities asking, is it better to say an autistic adult or an adult with autism? Again, it’s split. Okay. And for different reasons, it’s split. So, you know, I apologize all the time. I never mean to offend. If I do, but, um, it’s not, it’s not meant for a negative way.

It’s meant because it’s my understanding of the most respectful at the time.

There was a movie that was made in the, I think the seventies that addressed this entire problem. I forget the name of it, but it was a really good movie. Um, but the child was voiceless, uh, mute. But it turned out that his disability had nothing to do with his voice.

He, he couldn’t hear, you know, in those days in school, they didn’t check. Um, you know, now I think when you go to, uh, preschool or whatever, you know, you have to go and

this hearing test. Yeah.

Imagine here we are in 2024. We’re probably half the, the world doesn’t get tested. You know.

It’s the same, the same with vision.

How many kids go three, four, five years. And no one’s realized that one eye is not working and it’s not the eye, it’s the brain isn’t communicating with the eye. And if they can, if they can address that early enough, the child’s vision is saved.

But you see, this is the magic of, of your podcast, because if only one person gets something from you or something that my movie offers or something that I say that was worth the whole, the whole thing.

All right. So I had a couple more questions because I’m, I’m looking at time. I don’t want to abuse your time today. What were some of the biggest challenges that you had while you were filming?

Well, it’s funny you say that because I’ve answered this question from other podcasters. And, um, You know, I feel, and this is a kind of an odd analogy, but you know, when you have a child that’s got a challenge, you build a team, you know, and that team is hopefully, uh, equally compatible where you have a physician and a consultant and, and then you collaborate, you know, uh, you don’t make a movie like my movie, CAMERA, without having a team of experts that.

aren’t there for any other reason than wanting to be a part of something that’s important. And, um, there isn’t one person including Beau Bridges that, you know, I know, you know, when you watch the movie that there’s a message there that’s not subliminal. It’s just the story. It’s an older man who is interacting with a young child and becoming indirectly a mentor.

Um, That, that, the beauty of that is something that you as a parent and me as a parent know is, is just beyond words because I was lucky enough to have a mentor in my life. And I know Beau Bridges had a very famous mentor by his dad and also by, uh, having, um, uh, John Wooden from UCLA, who was a renowned, um, um, uh, coach.

That, you know, he trained and taught his students, uh, not, not what is the most important thing. It was a pyramid strategy that, you know, your goal cannot be just to win. It has to be the experience. And if you don’t win, the experience is loaded with fulfillment, you know?

And he brought that to the, to the movie and, and I got to just say, you know, um, the feedback that we’re getting on behalf of Beau on behalf of the little kid on even behalf of, you know, the story, you know, you start to recognize that we were brought up in a generation where, you know, in my parents generation, it was, it was called, um, Not, uh, a mentor, but it was called an apprentice.

Okay. And we don’t have that anymore in the vernacular. The vernacular is now, you know, Oh, uh, this could be a great coach. I think you mentioned that, you know, uh, whatever you want to call it, it doesn’t matter the fact that parents, I don’t believe you as a mother of a, of a, of a child, that’s got issues seeing.

Your biggest dream would be that she meets a professor that engages her at a level that is so extraordinary that all of a sudden she’s got a purpose she feels. And that’s the magic that happens with mentorship or with, you know, this idea that, uh, we’re all experiencing life independently. No, it’s the wisdom of older people.

That I feel is idle in America is something that Europe has always had. You know, when you go to, when you go to Italy and you see that guy making that perfect shoe, I mean, and it’s one of a kind, he is the son of a son of a son that’s made shoes for generations. And. I, I know I’m going on and on about this, but there’s magic there, you know, and I wanted to share that.

Do you have any, um, any future projects that you’re working on now?

I do as, as a, as a matter of fact, , we’re working on a movie called Yale, and it’s, um, just a magnificent true story that is about a. A man that, um, is a bigamist that has this, uh, inability to, uh, retain relationships and the story is really about his daughter who he’s exchanged from for over 35 years that has to, to save her own son’s life, um, re-engage with this man, uh, to save his son’s life with an organ transplant.

And, um, It doesn’t go as planned and that’s what makes the story so extraordinary. You know, it’s interesting cause in research, just like I just explained to you, I do a lot of in my movie. Um, this screenplay is filled with real life experiences from the actual writer. Cause it’s a story about his grandfather.

And, um, what’s like a lightning bolt to me is this idea that, you know, um, In my view, the film could attract, um, just an incredible interest in the value of donors. As crazy as that little issue is, that’s what I have to hold on to when I make a movie, you know? I know that, um, That, uh, this is a true story.

Uh, we’re screening the movie, CAMERA, and there’s somebody crying in the theater. Um, and it sounds like a, a little baby and it turns out it was, um, my sweethearts, um, Six-year-old nephew and we went to him and we said, you know, are you okay?

And he goes, oh, yeah and he said well because we were worried about you and he goes well I couldn’t stop thinking about my grandfather watching the movie and, you know, I don’t have a dad and what I see is my father and all the things he’s taught me and I just thought, Oh my goodness, you know, who would have ever planned that emotion coming from a young child?

Because in his case, his grandfather, who I know well. Is an extraordinary human being. He’s the kind of man that would do anything for his grandchildren. And not only is he doing that, he is, you know, essentially the mentor and, um, everything about this child, you can see the grandfather in. And why do I make this point?

Because, you know, you can’t go out to make a movie that you want to do that emotion from the audience. It’s organic, you know, and, um, that’s, that, that’s really extraordinary for me.

For someone to be, to be as young as that, to pick up on all those things as well.

Yeah. Yeah.

Before we close, I have had my guests this season give some advice in a little different way by having them repeat.

A few statements that are open-ended that I’m going to have, have you finish it for me? And, um, and Jay’s agreed to do this with us like our other guests have. So I have three for you, Jay. All right. So pack, pack full of wisdom. There’s no right or wrong on these. Whatever you want to share. So the first one, the message I hope to convey through the movie, CAMERA, is…

I feel CAMERA has an ability to comfort and open your eyes to something that I think most people take for granted. And that is how it’s possible to put a hat on that’s not only positive and fulfilling, but have an ability to be able to show in a movie, um, uh, the transformation of that fight of that thinking.

And to me, the most exciting part of the message of this movie is the idea that. Uh, young people and older people can share wisdom and in this movie, it’s about two characters that are in so many respects incomplete and the two of them together, um, I think improve one another’s lives and the message is very positive.

All right. So the next one, I hope the movie, CAMERA, will inspire viewers to…

I hope the movie, CAMERA, will inspire viewers to see that no different than the characters in the film. We all have the potential to want to share and become a part and partial to, uh, young people and older people. Um, and, and learn that we all have gifts. All of us that can make the world a better place.

Excellent. And the last one, the scene in CAMERA that I’m most proud of is…

One of the scenes that I’m most proud of in my movie, CAMERA, is where you start to put the puzzle together of imperfection. And I think everybody that has had, uh, somebody special in their life. Can reflect back on it and recognize the pros and the cons because it isn’t the fact that, uh, an individual came into your life and made your life better.

It’s the fact that an individual comes in your life and teaches you something. And to me, that’s the message of one of the, my favorite scenes in the movie where the character makes a little mistake and the true colors come out of the, of, of the mentor. And, and you realize he’s not.

How can our audience, how can they find the movie? Where, where is it available for them? How can they contact you?

My recommendation is if you want to watch this movie, you go to Amazon and you can rent it. Uh, there’s a whole bunch of most, um, what they call video on-demand sites, including Fandango, Apple, uh, they all have my movie now. I recommend if you have taken an interest in, in my films, you go to jaysilvermanproductions.com and you will see CAMERA along with other movies because I’ve dedicated my career to wanting to help others.

And that is the primary goal of my company. And I think you, you can read all about it and see trailers from my other movies. And to me, you know, um, the payback is the fulfillment of knowing that I’ve, I’ve, I’ve moved the, the, the gamut just a little bit into a direction that’s a better world. Perhaps.

Perfect. So we’ll, we’ll put the link to, um, to your website because from there they can get to the platforms to be able to watch it. Is that correct? Yeah. Okay. That’s correct. So that, that’ll be the easiest thing. So we’ll put the direct link there. And, um, I appreciate you taking the time to, to go into detail about your own personal journey, but then, um, but then telling us a little bit, a little bit more about the movie too.

I’ve, I’ve really enjoyed meeting you today and, and thank you for being here.

It’s my pleasure. I wish Water Prairie Chronicles the most success because in all the years I’ve been doing this and it’s almost 43 years, you know, it appears that you struck a chord with me personally and with people that have children that have challenges, um, a destination.

And I really respect that. And I understand that it’s predominantly a labor of love and I’m super grateful for being on your show.